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10/15/2006

Death Ray

                  Boeing Begins Flight Tests - Laser Gunship Program

Atl_c130 The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] has begun flight testing for the Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration (ACTD) program and has generated "first light" of ATL's high-energy chemical laser in ground tests, achieving two key milestones in the laser gunship development effort.

During the "low-power" flight tests, which began Oct. 10 and conclude this fall, the ATL ACTD system will find and track ground targets at White Sands Missile Range, N.M. A low-power, solid-state laser will serve as a surrogate for ATL's high-power chemical laser.

Star_trek_phasers_enterprise To prepare for the tests, the ATL aircraft, a C-130H from the U.S. Air Force 46th Test Wing, was outfitted with flight demonstration hardware at Crestview Aerospace Corp. in Crestview, Fla. The hardware includes the beam director and optical control bench, which will direct the laser beam to its target; weapon system consoles, which will display high-resolution imagery and enable the tracking of targets; and sensors.

Boeing fired the high-energy chemical laser for the first time in ground tests on Sept. 21 in Albuquerque, N.M. - an achievement known as "first light." Ground tests of the laser will conclude this fall. By 2007, Boeing will install the device on the aircraft and fire it in-flight at mission-representative ground targets to demonstrate the military utility of high energy-lasers. The test team will fire the laser through a rotating turret that extends through an existing 50-inch-diameter hole in the aircraft's belly.

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  And we are worried about some sawed off little megalomaniacal creep with a Napoleonic complex, whose missile is a fizzle and his bomb's just a dud? Riiiight.

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  Boeing Begins Flight Tests and Laser Firings for Laser Gunship Program

ST. LOUIS, Oct. 13, 2006 - The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] has begun flight testing for the Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration (ACTD) program and has generated "first light" of ATL's high-energy chemical laser in ground tests, achieving two key milestones in the laser gunship development effort.

During the "low-power" flight tests, which began Oct. 10 and conclude this fall, the ATL ACTD system will find and track ground targets at White Sands Missile Range, N.M. A low-power, solid-state laser will serve as a surrogate for ATL's high-power chemical laser.

To prepare for the tests, the ATL aircraft, a C-130H from the U.S. Air Force 46th Test Wing, was outfitted with flight demonstration hardware at Crestview Aerospace Corp. in Crestview, Fla. The hardware includes the beam director and optical control bench, which will direct the laser beam to its target; weapon system consoles, which will display high-resolution imagery and enable the tracking of targets; and sensors.

Boeing fired the high-energy chemical laser for the first time in ground tests on Sept. 21 in Albuquerque, N.M. -- an achievement known as "first light." Ground tests of the laser will conclude this fall. By 2007, Boeing will install the device on the aircraft and fire it in-flight at mission-representative ground targets to demonstrate the military utility of high energy-lasers. The test team will fire the laser through a rotating turret that extends through an existing 50-inch-diameter hole in the aircraft's belly.

"ATL will transform the battlefield by giving the warfighter a speed-of-light, precision engagement capability that will reduce collateral damage dramatically," said Pat Shanahan, vice president and general manager of Boeing Missile Defense Systems. "The start of flight and laser testing shows that Boeing is making solid progress toward making this revolutionary capability a reality."

Boeing is developing ATL for the U.S. Department of Defense through an ACTD program.

ATL will destroy, damage or disable targets with little to no collateral damage, supporting missions on the battlefield and in urban operations. ATL will produce scaleable effects, meaning the weapon operator will be able to select the degree and nature of the damage done to a target by choosing a specific aimpoint and laser shot duration. For example, targeting the fuel tank of a vehicle could result in total destruction of the vehicle, while targeting a tire might result in the vehicle stopping without injury to the driver.

Boeing's Advanced Tactical Laser industry team includes L-3 Communications/Brashear, which made the laser turret, and HYTEC, Inc., which made various structural elements of the weapon system.  Link

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Has anybody else seen the movie Real Genius?

Not only have I seen it, but I own it...it's a moral imperative!

On another note, this is actually old news.

Our military has already shown it's inclination to use it's weapons on it's own citizens. Let's all hope we don't piss our government off now. Remember: you are being spied on for your protection.

What weapons have our military used on us besides making us listen to the "Star Spangled Banner" by people who can't sing it?

They can spy on me all they like. I'm sure I'll make for a most interesting subject.

As far as hoping we don't piss off our government: How about they worry about pissing us off? Maybe we can get pissed-off enough to ensure ourselves a government that actually works together.

UH, arent lasers ....light? don't mirrors reflect lasers?

cool, chrome plated tanks, reflects the laser back at the plane....dumb, dumb, dumb....

Now how much did we spend on this one?

I saw that thing in action on a video once (ground based though). The coolest part about the laser is you can't see it with the naked eye. There was a machine on the ground pointing a flat surface at a missile, then a second later the missile blew up!

If they pointed it at a plane, they'd be saying, "Hey, is it getting hot in *BOOM*".

Laser's aren't exactly like normal light. It has to be a perfectly made mirror, as the slightest imperfections will catch and bend the heat, warping the glass until it's no longer reflesctive.

August-- learn some physics.

As for the "collateral damage" comment: how would an exploding fuel truck not cause "collateral damage." Sure, it's not as messy as hitting it with a 105mm high-explosive round, but it's still messy. That, and whatever light is reflected could blind bystanders who were otherwise unaffected by the shot.

Actually the mirror defense isn't workable. That only protects you if the mirror is 100% (across the entire spectrum) reflective. Since no mirror is, the beam just needs to dwell a little longer. With each second the heat deposited by the beam makes the mirror less and less reflective as the surface melts.

Learn some physics? ..Ok asshat, the laser is an infrared laser. directed back at the aircraft is an effective means of disabling the device...on the aircraft. dwell time notwithstanding, that 'dwell time' can be used to damage the optics on the aircraft, its engines, its fuel tanks, and bring it down. stupid human......

stop being so myopic and enchanted with technology, the vietnamese did a fine job of defeating us in Nam with bamboo sticks.

My point at the end was the more important one. why are we wasting more money on weapons. seriously, if we had back the money wasted on nuclear weapons we will never use, have to maintain and ultimately dispose of, our economy wouldn't be so f^$ked up. Who do you work for a military contractor or the pentagon or just watch too much startrek as a kid?

egad...get the point or don't write

Yes, moron, learn some physics. Angle of incidence = angle of reflection. I don't know where you got this fantasy that one could magically reflect this thing back at its origin by making the target sort of shiny.

On top of that, as someone else mentioned, you'd need an absolutely perfectly reflective surface to make it viable (I use the word sparingly, given the angular issues). Try maintaining one of those in any combat environment...or in any environment at all, for that matter.

Stupid human...

august ...

Your lack of knowledge in physics and optics is exceeded only by your ignorance of economics, past and present.

I'll chalk it up to you living in a cave or your parent's house.

Pretty much the same vis a vis the real world.

Not to pile on August, but how exacty would your chrome tank move even a couple of feet without kicking up dust and dirt, presumably some of which would coat the tank. As those debris particles were superheated by the laser, they would have the effect of millions of tiny bombs going off against the mirror finish, rendering it pretty much instantaneously ineffective.

Ah this is why I love the internet,
a man makes an observation from a laymans point of view, which to another layman may seem reasonable.
Then those people educated enough to perhaps enlighten the poor layman decide to call him an Asshat.
and the circle continues

Welp, I don't know about that, but drivin' around in a chrome tank sounds kinda cool. Just the thing for those long drives into Berlin.

Lasers for the dark green objects, missiles/bombs/shells for the chrome thingies.

When ROBOTS get the LASERS, then watch out!!

Despite august's aggressive ramblings, he does bring up an interesting conundrum probably without even realizing he did so, The point i think he was ultimately aiming at (i hope) is that new technology designed to perform certain actions spawns newer technology to either enhance it or diffuse it (for those playing the home game this has been going on for centuries, take the development of the sword and then the shield, or bullets and kevlar weaves, etc etc etc etc)
No technology is ever "on-top" for long, but that does NOT mean that its development is pointless, it is simply a milestone in our technological understanding and application of laser technology. To use it as a tactical device means we can be more precise and more conservative in our use of energy, rather than using expensive fuel and explozive material we use a solid state chemical laser (solid state=no moving parts meaning power goes in laser comes out)
Quit being so aggresive August, your malicious attempts to belittle those who obviously understand real life only points to the fact that comic book logic is where most of your perception of the world comes from.

PS The Nazi's tried to do the big mirror thing to try and melt london, and we all know what happened to those guys, oh ya and for the record, their mirror didnt work either.
Douche your brain at least it'll smell better

Late to the dust-up..... but how did 'chrome-plated' tanks get into this?

Like do we really want our tanks shining brightly for the enemy to see?

Let's paint a nice bulls-eye on them while we're at it.

Some bozo back up the thread suggested that all it would take to defeat a laser is a guy standing out in THE middle of the target area with a mirror and all he'd have to do is reflect the laser beam back to the source.

Then his imagination carried it to the even more absurd.

Chrome tanks.

The possibility that the person firing the laser might decide to fry his stupid ass and leave a rather large salad bowl in his place never occured to him.

I figure him for a comic book addict who shares a bedroom with his little brother.

George didn't write that.

But he would've.

2 dumb things come to mind:
Spies like us
Real Genius

So, George...... How does one aim/reflect the laser back on its source? It can't be done.... I think someone in the thread talked about this..

Dufuses on Parade

Just an addendum to my earlier thread, Kmarts having a sale on Asshats as we speak, perhaps some of the brighter minds on this thread should look into seeing if they have them in their size

"stop being so myopic and enchanted with technology, the vietnamese did a fine job of defeating us in Nam with bamboo sticks."

ER, well, no, they didn't.

It was a cut 'n run Democratic controlled congress that cut off all funding for the South Vietnamese government that lost the war.

That and the fact that the North Vietnamese invaded with several armored divisions.

Well, armored divisions and pointy sticks.

god, I hate a pointy stick...

What weapons has our government used on us, Phoenix? Try researching the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 where military aircraft dropped bombs on their own citizens...

Zack, you are a fucking idiot.

Even Wikipedia, that bastion of rightwing thinking, doesn't make that accusation.

People like you piss me off.

Do some reading before you come back here and if you read the same claptrap that gave you that vision of history - don't bother coming back at all.

Do NOT make me have to tell you twice.

Pointed sticks???? I thought we were only up to raspberries!!!!

Now the US can really get dem terrists!

Isn't it a wondrous thing! the weapon is a marvel! opportunities like this dont fall into the right wings black opps lap everyday! no more decent, vaporise your opposition.These really are exciting times.What chapter does superman fall into our conscience!!...Have we really slain the last unicorn?

Steel,

I think that maybe, just maybe, Zack was being sarcastic.

Then again, he may be an idiot.

Insufficient data to make that determination.

Mongrel,

Fer shure we've slain the last of the pointy-stick-headed horse things. Except the one you're riding, of course.

feenixs..Are you sure the horn of this dilemma isn't firmly seated in your annexed cortex?

unicorns unite an defeat them land lovers once and 4 all!! we shall slayu them evil machines with our pionty sticks. nam ? wat is nam?


P.S. NEVER REMEBERED, NEVER TAUGHT, NEVER 4GOTTEN,! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mongrel,

No. The horn is firmly seated in my annexed vortex. The one that picks up signals from space. Are you getting this? Hello to Pointy Horned Dilemma.....

Pegasus rider...


"wat is nam?" That is "man" spelled backwards.

feenix,

U haven't managed that rising bit!!! crash an burn.dude

stupid merkins! the rest of the world is laughing at u!

Mongrel,

I see you picked up my annexed vortexed intra-cerebral signals. Yay!

Now about that Pointy Horned Dilemma.... want to exhaust ourselves cyber dry-humping seeing as I'm not a 'dude'.....but I sure am into that pointy horn......

I saw this laser capability before I exited the Air Force in early 1979. It was from a large C141 type aircraft with unusual concoctions of chemicals onboard. However they were only at the stage of blowing holes in plexiglass cubes while parked on the tarmac of Eglin AFB Florida.

I guess ur into cerebral humping of phallic symbology. wouldn't that kinda be......like pointless!!

Mongrel,

That depends. If your pointy horn dilemma involves the fact that your horn is pointless, you're right. Why hump.

Now, as far I've always figured it, cerebral humping of phallic symbology is what it's all about when it comes to that great, grand pleasure of auto-eroticism. Never pointless and always a pleasure. :)

It may be gnarled,polished to a fine sheen.Every facet as a story to tell.The gaping question that must be filled, is where would the horn of plenty be able to disgorge its iconic symbolism ;)

Mongrel,

My goodness. You have displaced my genital energies with your esoteric ramblings. Back to the cerebral cortex with a sound spanking of my limbic system: How is it that a questions is 'gaping' and that a question 'must be filled'? It isn't a question if it needs filling, after all, but a thought off-track on the myelin sheath looking to see if there is something it doesn't know.

I do admire your assonance with 'disgorge' and 'gaping' in the same sentence. Yum.

Feenix,

Hiatus invariably is commended, when one's cortex receives exuberant discourse especially. On the wanton destruction of one's frank but sincere appraisal, concerning a mythological appendage. To have my assonance spanked. I would in private, paid dearly. As for the myelin sheath. Back an forth, back an forth. How long doth a mythical creature endowed with horn'o'plenty. Abstain from sprinkling fairy dust on all an sundry.

Mongrel,

I have heard of free verse. But I've never heard of free prose. Nice job in proving why there is no such thing..... that is...acceptable in written communications.

feenix,


Your millifuous apology is accepted..

Mongrel,

That would be 'mellifluous'. And it wasn't an apology. It was a tenuously rude, funny way of saying, "What in the hell are you talking about?"

Hey here is a video link to this posted by Aviation Week.
USAF Tests Airborne Laser

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